Annis: The thing about advancing women is that people think it’s such a long journey, and it’s not. We just made this assumption that it’s going to take a long long time. Women have been educated in greater numbers than men around the world, so it’s really about shifting gears and thinking about this as a two-year journey. You can get this done in two years.

Lam: In a sense, that sounds like classic procrastination.

Annis: Classic procrastination. This is so hard, it’s going to take so long. It’s not.